Wednesday, 2 February 2011

David Moyes is a moron

Full thoughts to follow on the match in due course, but I couldn't let Moyes' quotes go. Particularly:

"I think not sending off Fabregas changed the flow of the game"

Five reasons why this is a cretinous thing to say:

1) As the picture shows, David Moyes is not exactly one to talk about respecting referees... (credits to @clockenders for the pic)

2) It was half-time. There was no game to change.

3) Who was the last footballer to be senf off in the tunnel?

4) Arsenal didn't exactly take control after half-time. It took the introduction of Arshavin and Bendtner mid-way through the second half to change things.

5) If we want to talk about changing the flow of the game, how about talking about Saha's goal?

I really hope he retracts his comments. They do a disservice to what was an excellent football match.

Keep the faith.


The Thirsty Gargoyle said...

Somehow, this seems rather rich in a week where you surrender a bigger lead than any Premier League has ever done. In a quarter of a game. To a side that's just sold its best player. But anyway, to answer your points...

1. To be fair, there's a colossal difference between haranguing a referee to protest a decision - disgraceful though that is, and indeed something that should result in automatic sendings off whenever players do it - and accusing a referee of having taken a bribe. And indeed, of accusing a club of having bribed a referee. That's not merely abusive, but insulting and potentially slanderous.

2. I think had Arsenal taken the field in the second half with only ten men, devoid of their captain, then the game could indeed be said to have changed.

3. Does that matter? The Laws of the Game are very clear that the referee was empowered to act as Moyes felt he ought to have done:
"The referee has the authority to take disciplinary sanctions from the moment he enters the field of play until he leaves the field of play after the final whistle. A player who commits a cautionable or sending-off offence, either on or off the field of play, whether directed towards an opponent, a team-mate, the referee, an assistant referee or any other person, is disciplined according to the nature of the offence committed."
Given that Fábregas, according to Moyes, verbally abused the officials and, by implication, Everton as a whole, he ought indeed to have been dismissed. That the ref didn't do so is surely a reflection of the fact that it would be impossible to justify credibly a sending-off for an offense that not one person in the crowd had witnessed.

4. Well, then, imagine how much slower they might have been to do so had they resumed play devoid of a player who happened to be their captain?

5. Are you saying that Saha's goal disrupted Arsenal's play until halfway through the second half? But that aside, that this was a dubious decision isn't in dispute by Moyes, so you're rather off-topic.

All told, it seems to me that if Fábregas really didn't say what Moyes says he did, then he should take Moyes to court for libel. But if he doesn't do that, well, it's easy to surmise why.

Hello, by the way. Long time no chat. ;)

Adam said...

Hey Greg,

Hope all is well!

Broadly, I think you have a point. Individually I'd say -

1) Yes, but David Moyes must be the only man on the planet who can make Arsene Wenger look like a good loser. I think there's a difference between shouting something in the heat of the moment, and some of the stuff Moyes has said in post-match interviews.

This is ignoring the wider point which is that Cesc is only alleged to have said it - whereas Moyes wrongdoing is indisputable (though, agreed, not as bad) - and that I think the reality is, while he probably did shout, it was *about* the ref, not towards the ref. I don't think he actually for one moment believed Lee Mason had taken a bung - or was trying to imply as such - he was more upset about some (admittedly poor) decisions and had a grievance. Which isn't right, I agree, but I don't think David Moyes is one to talk in that respect.

2 & 3) I meant to say the flow of the game, which is what Moyes said - but I agree - these points were very trite...

I was simply making the point that Moyes had unreasonable expectations - if Fabregas was guilty, I'd expect for him to be banned after the event, rather than sent off during it.

4) True. I can only go back to how he said 'flow' rather than the game itself.

5) I think if you go away to Arsenal and you get a goal, then yes, it does dramatically change the game, because teams try very, very hard to hold onto that lead and defend deep. I think Saha's goal did dramatically disrupt - and change - a game Arsenal were threatening to dominate.


I think the wider point was that I didn't think Moyes was in a position to complain about the ref - precisely because, although refs can send players off for offences like what is alleged, as you say, they don't. And his comments distracted away from a good football match, where Moyes had no real answer as to why he lost the game.

Fabregas won't sue for libel because it would appear 'poor form' rather than because he couldn't win in court. It's like where he was accused of spitting in the tunnel - without video proof, it doesn't mean anything.